Rhodes College positions students to meet the highest academic standards through a top-tier liberal arts academic program, hands-on mentorship, and opportunities for real-world experience.
Through small class sizes, community partnerships, research opportunities, and fellowships, Rhodes creates space for students to explore new perspectives and effect meaningful change.
About
From the School
Contact & Visit
Campus Visits Contact
Contact
Jessica G. Jones
Campus Visit Service Coordinator
Campus Visit Service Coordinator
Address
Office of Admissions
2000 North Parkway
Memphis, TN 38112-1690
2000 North Parkway
Memphis, TN 38112-1690
Phone
1-800-844-5969
Email
visit@rhodes.edu
Experience College Life
Most Popular Places On Campus
Paul Barret, Jr. Library
The Middle Ground (Coffee Shop)
Burrow Refectory (Cafeteria)
Bryan Campus Life Center (Athletic Facility)
Lynx Lair (Bar and Cafe)
Robertson Hall - the newest academic building McNeill Concert Hall - performance auditorium
The Middle Ground (Coffee Shop)
Burrow Refectory (Cafeteria)
Bryan Campus Life Center (Athletic Facility)
Lynx Lair (Bar and Cafe)
Robertson Hall - the newest academic building McNeill Concert Hall - performance auditorium
Most Popular Places Off Campus
Beale Street
National Civil Rights Museum
Graceland
Rendezvous BBQ
Orpheum Theater
Rhodes campus is 5 minutes from downtown Memphis. The Cooper Young area. Crosstown Concourse. Stax Museum.
National Civil Rights Museum
Graceland
Rendezvous BBQ
Orpheum Theater
Rhodes campus is 5 minutes from downtown Memphis. The Cooper Young area. Crosstown Concourse. Stax Museum.
Campus Tours
Campus Visiting Center
Monday-Friday and select Saturdays
8:30am-5pm M-F
1-800-844-5969
8:30am-5pm M-F
1-800-844-5969
Campus Tours
Appointment Required: Yes
Dates: Year-round
Times: Varies
Average Length: 1 hour
Dates: Year-round
Times: Varies
Average Length: 1 hour
On Campus Interview
Campus Interviews
Yes
Information Sessions
Available
Times
Times vary, contact admissions office
Faculty and Coach Visits
Dates/Times Available
Academic Year
Arrangements
Contact Admissions Office
Advance Notice
1 week
Contact Email Address for Visit
visit@rhodes.edu
Class Visits
Dates/Times Available
Academic Year
Arrangements
Contact Admissions Office
Overnight Dorm Stays
Overnight Dorm Stays
Available
Arrangements
Contact Admissions Office
Limitations
1 night stay; (Sun-Thurs) seniors and transfers only
Transportation
Types of Transportation Available to Campus
Memphis International Airport is seven miles from campus. Rhodes students provide transportation from the airport to campus between 9am and 9pm every day; call the admissions office at least one week in advance to arrange for this service. Amtrak trains and Greyhound buses serve Memphis. Taxis are available from the stations to campus.
Driving Instructions to Campus
From the north, take I-55 S. to West Memphis, AR. Exit to I-40 E. (toward Memphis). Exit at Danny Thomas Blvd. North (Exit 1B) and take the first right onto North Pkwy. Continue on North Pkwy., then turn left on University St. and continue to the Phillips Lane entrance to the campus.
From the south, take I-55 North to Memphis and merge with I-240 North, exit Union Avenue East. Continue on Union Ave. to East Pkwy. Turn left onto East Pkwy. and continue to North Pkwy. Turn left at North Pkwy. and continue to University Street. Turn right at University to Phillips Lane Entrance.
From the east, take I-40 W. to Memphis. Continue on Sam Cooper Blvd., which becomes Broad St. Proceed on Broad, then turn right onto East Pkwy. At the first intersection, turn left onto North Pkwy. and proceed to University St. Turn right at University to the Phillips Lane entrance.
From the west, take I-40 E. to Memphis, then follow the directions given from the north.
Local Accommodations
Downtown:
Hu Hotel
The Peabody
Hampton Inn & Suites
Westin Hotel - Beale Street
Courtyard by Marriot
Spring Hill Suites
River Inn of Harbor Town
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Admissions
Admissions
Overall
From The School
Rhodes welcomes students of all backgrounds and walks of life. Our highly talented students come from all over the world, with a dedication to high achievement in a rigorous, broad-based education on one of the nation's most beautiful campuses.
Rhodes' admission offices continue our test-optional policy for admission and merit scholarship consideration. No student will be disadvantaged by not submitting a test score. Rhodes no longer requires the CSS Profile. All applicants seeking need-based aid consideration must complete the FAFSA and possibly complete a few additional questions on the Rhodes Financial Supplement.
Rhodes has a priority deadline of Dec. 1 for merit-based scholarships. The Common Application also serves as the application for Rhodes' merit-based competitive scholarships.
Admission Deadlines:
Early Decision I*: November 1
Early Decision II*: January 15
Early Action**: November 15
Regular Decision: January 15
Transfer (Spring 2022): November 1
Transfer (Fall 2022): April 1
Overview
Applicants: 5,207
Acceptance Rate: 45%
Average HS GPA: 3.70
SAT & ACT Test Scores
SAT Evidence-Based Reading and Writing
25th-75th percentile (enrolled students)
620 - 700
SAT Math
25th-75th percentile (enrolled students)
600 - 730
ACT Composite Scores
25th-75th percentile (enrolled students)
27 - 32
Testing Policies
Standardized testing policy for use in admission
Requires applicants to submit either the SAT or ACT
Deadlines
Early Decision — November 1
Early Decision II — January 15
Early Action — November 15
Other Admission Factors
Academic
Rigor of Secondary School Record
Class Rank
Academic GPA
Selectivity Rating
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Academics
Overall
From The School
Academic Programs
At the core of the Rhodes academic experience is our Foundations Curriculum, which gives students greater freedom to follow their academic interests and aspirations as they develop critical-thinking skills that are fundamental to the Rhodes experience, the study of the liberal arts and sciences, and lifelong learning.
Within the Foundations framework, students are required to choose one of two signature course sequences: The Search for Values or Life ("Search") or Life: Then and Now ("Life"), both of which comprise three courses (12 credit hours) spread over three semesters.
Majors and Degrees Offered
The academic experience at Rhodes College is intimate and rigorous, offering students a world-class liberal arts education that will prepare them intellectually, equip them to be impactful community leaders, and empower them to excel in their postgraduate plans. Average class size: 14. Faculty-to-student ratio: 10:1.
A current list of majors, minors, and degree programs is located here: https://www.rhodes.edu/academics/majors-minors
Faculty and Class Information
Student/Faculty
10:1
Total Faculty
223
with Terminal Degree
210
120
Men
103
Women
44
Minority
7
International
Most frequent class size
10 - 19
Most frequent lab / sub section size
20 - 29
Graduation Rates
Graduate in 4 years
82%
Graduate in 5 years
85%
Graduate in 6 years
85%
Majors
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AREA, ETHNIC, CULTURAL, GENDER, AND GROUP STUDIES.
African-American/Black Studies.
Latin American Studies.
Russian Studies.
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BIOLOGICAL AND BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES.
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology.
Biology/Biological Sciences, General.
Neuroscience.
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BUSINESS, MANAGEMENT, MARKETING, AND RELATED SUPPORT SERVICES.
Accounting.
Business Administration and Management, General.
International Business/Trade/Commerce.
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COMPUTER AND INFORMATION SCIENCES AND SUPPORT SERVICES.
Computer Science.
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EDUCATION.
Education, General.
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ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE/LETTERS.
English Language and Literature, General.
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FOREIGN LANGUAGES, LITERATURES, AND LINGUISTICS.
Classics and Classical Languages, Literatures, and Linguistics, General.
Classics and Classical Languages, Literatures, and Linguistics.
French Language and Literature.
German Language and Literature.
Spanish Language and Literature.
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HEALTH PROFESSIONS AND RELATED PROGRAMS.
Bioethics/Medical Ethics.
-
HISTORY.
History, General.
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MATHEMATICS AND STATISTICS.
Mathematics, General.
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MULTI/INTERDISCIPLINARY STUDIES.
Multi-/Interdisciplinary Studies, Other.
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NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION.
Environmental Science.
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PHILOSOPHY AND RELIGIOUS STUDIES.
Philosophy.
Religion/Religious Studies.
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PHYSICAL SCIENCES.
Chemistry.
Physics, General.
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PSYCHOLOGY.
Psychology, General.
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SOCIAL SCIENCES.
Economics, General.
International Economics.
International Relations and Affairs.
Political Economy.
Political Science and Government, General.
Sociology and Anthropology.
Urban Studies/Affairs.
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VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS.
Art/Art Studies, General.
Drama and Dramatics/Theatre Arts, General.
Music, General.
Students Say
Rhodes College is a small, appealing southern institution that produces "graduates that have lots of knowledge and experience." To say that the program is "academically very strong" or "unparalleled, especially in the sciences" might actually be somewhat of an understatement, considering feedback from some students who began working before even matriculating. "I was granted a position in a research lab prior to even starting my first semester as a freshman." Early opportunities like these are a common refrain from undergrads, who also talk up the school's "infinite resources," which include academic coaches, peer and professor tutors, advisors for classes and health, and many more. Rhodes also allows students to access their strong alumni network, which provides an "immense array of career opportunities," and there's also a "well-developed study abroad program."
But perhaps the highest praise is reserved for Rhodes' faculty and staff, whom many say are the school's "greatest strength." Students love that their professors "each retain their unique styles, with accessibility being the only common factor." Many "go above and beyond to help students succeed," which is apparent from the way office hours are utilized, not just for help "but for lively discussions on papers..., for finding research opportunities, or just to chat, because they're great humans." And a classmate simply sums up by saying, "Professors have challenged me, and through it all, I have learned more than I ever thought possible."
Degrees
Bachelor's
Master's
Post-Bachelor's certificate
Master's
Post-Bachelor's certificate
Career Services
On-Campus Job Interviews Available
Yes
Career Services
Alumni Network
Alumni Services
Classes
Interest Inventory
Internships
Regional Alumni
Opportunities at School
Experiential
Internship
Notable Faculty
Prominent Alumni
John Churchill
Secretary of Phi Beta Kappa Society
John Bryan
former CEO, Sara Lee
Cary Fowler '71
Agriculturalist, former Executive Director of Global Crop Diversity Trust
Abe Fortas
Former U.S. Supreme Court justice
Charlaine Harris ?73
#1 New York Times bestselling author
Claudia Kennedy
U.S. Army's first female three-star general
Allen Reynolds ?60
award-winning Country Music songwriter and multi-million selling record producer
Academic Rating
90/99
Careers
Careers
Graduation Rates
Graduate in 4 years
82%
Graduate in 5 years
85%
Graduate in 6 years
85%
Career Services
On-Campus Job Interviews Available
Yes
Career Services
Alumni Network
Alumni Services
Classes
Interest Inventory
Internships
Regional Alumni
Opportunities at School
Experiential
Internship
ROI & Outcomes
Information from PayScale:
Starting Median Salary (Up to Bachelor's degree completed, only)
$55,100
Mid-Career Median Salary (Up to Bachelor's degree completed, only)
$116,500
Starting Median Salary (At least Bachelor's degree)
$60,000
Mid-Career Median Salary (At least Bachelor's degree)
$121,400
Percent High Job Meaning
46%
Percent STEM
28%
Students Say
The typical Rhodes College graduate has a starting salary of around $52,000, and 50 percent report that their job has a great deal of meaning. Students feel that Rhodes “is the epitome of opportunity: from service to sports to academics to internships and jobs to career services and professors. Rhodes has it all.” A Biochemistry major notes that “I get to do cutting edge biomedical Cancer research at St. Jude Children’s Research hospital. This is an invaluable internship I got through Rhodes.” Many students feel that the internship opportunities at Rhodes are not only “invaluable,” but the sort of things that “helped pull us here.”
Excerpt from Colleges That Create Futures
At the end of every school year, Rhodes College showcases its stellar reputation for connecting students with internship and fellowship experiences when over 200 students wake up early on a Friday to present their year's research to the campus. The Undergraduate Research and Creative Activity Symposium, or URCAS, as the event is known, displays some of the best research opportunities, fellowships, and global study that Rhodes generates. In the morning, guests may hear from students conducting research at the Memphis Center describe "the human experience of the Memphis and Mid-South region, from the Civil War to civil rights," and in the afternoon watch fellows at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital present the new cancer treatments and stem cell therapies they've been helping develop at the renowned hospital. But the URCAS presentations do more than showcase student research accomplishments. They demonstrate a key component of the Rhodes educational mission: to produce skilled critical thinkers, competent in both written and oral communication. Dr. Mary E. Miller, professor of biology and director of the interdisciplinary program in biochemistry and molecular biology, echoed the sentiments of many of her colleagues when she told us that after four years of study, "the difference [in their communication skills] is remarkable, and we know that our students stand ready to articulate well their intentions and passions to the world after graduation." Rhodes alumna Alison Lundergan Grimes, who is the Kentucky Secretary of State, credits Rhodes with setting her up for success when she went on to graduate study. She explained, "I learned to communicate there—both in writing and extemporaneously—which prepared me extremely well for law school at American University. Studying at Rhodes helped me know how to connect with others."
Tuition & Aid
Tuition & Aid
Overview
From The School
Tuition, Room, Board and Fees
2022-2023 Aid Year
Tuition & Fees: $52,310
Room & Board: $12,296
Total: $64,606
COA: $68,350
Financial Aid
Rhodes College offers several financial aid and scholarship programs that enable qualified students to afford a Rhodes education, regardless of income. The Offices of Admission and Financial Aid at Rhodes will work closely with students to explore all available funding resources.
We carefully consider every student's circumstance and do our best to help make it possible for every accepted student to attend. Rhodes has a priority deadline of Dec. 1 for merit-based scholarships. The Common Application also serves as the application for Rhodes' merit-based competitive scholarships.
Our goal is to remove cost as a deterrent for applying to Rhodes.
Dates
Application Deadlines
Jan 15
Required Forms
FAFSA
Forms CSSProfile
Forms Divorced Parent
Forms CSSProfile
Forms Divorced Parent
Financial Aid Statistics
Average Freshman Total Need-Based Gift Aid
$35,927
Average Undergraduate Total Need-Based Gift Aid
$34,229
Average Need-Based Loan
$4,622
Undergraduates who have borrowed through any loan program
46%
Average amount of loan debt per graduate
$26,155
Average amount of each freshman scholarship/grant package
$43,302
Financial aid provided to international students
Yes
Expenses per Academic Year
Tuition
$48,888
Required Fees
$310
Average Cost for Books and Supplies
$1,125
Tuition / Fees Vary by Year of Study
No
Board for Commuters
$5,373
Transportation for Commuters
$1,293
On-Campus Room and Board
$11,631
Comprehensive Fee
Available Aid
Financial Aid Methodology
Federal and Institutional
Scholarships and Grants
Need-Based
Need-Based College/University Scholarship or Grant Aid from Institutional Funds
Need-Based Federal Pell
Need-Based Private Scholarships
Need-Based SEOG
Need-Based State Scholarships
Non-Need-Based
Institutional non-need-based scholarship or grant aid is available
Federal Direct Student Loan Programs
Direct PLUS Loans
Direct Subsidized Stafford Loans
Direct Unsubsidized Stafford Loans
Direct Subsidized Stafford Loans
Direct Unsubsidized Stafford Loans
Federal Family Education Loan Programs (FFEL)
Is Institutional Employment Available (other than Federal Work Study)
Yes
Direct Lender
No
Financial Aid Rating
92/99
Student Body
Student Body
Overall
From The School
Rhodes College's current student body of approximately 2,070 undergraduate and students hails from 45 states (plus D.C.) and 63 countries. We enrolled a first-year class of 488 students for the Fall 2022 semester. Multicultural and international students made up 36.5% of the incoming class of 2026.
For over a century, Rhodes College has sought to create a true sense of belonging for every student. Our Honor Code has built a campus-wide community of trust and mutual respect. Over 100 student organizations invite students to stay busy and connected. Almost half of Rhodes students participate in the Greek system, and most Greek events are open to the entire student body. Our athletics program has received numerous awards from the Southern Athletic Association, and our student-athletes frequently receive recognition for their athletic and academic achievements.
Whether serving on the Honor Council, organizing a community service initiative, participating in athletics or the fine arts, or bringing new ideas and energy to a student club or organization, Rhodes empowers students to belong—and truly thrive—in our world-class community of lifelong learners.
Student Body Profile
Total Undergraduate Enrollment
1,973
Foreign Countries Represented
29
Demographics
6.49%
Asian
9.69%
Black
6.54%
Hispanic
65.69%
Caucasian
5.36%
International
58% female
42% male
71% are out of state
99% are full time
1% are part time
Students Say
The "great community feel" at Rhodes comes down to the unifying desire to learn. "Students WANT to come to class and complete assignments, because they truly care about the work they are doing." Unsurprisingly, peers describe one another as "very motivated," "intelligent," and "extremely hardworking." Admittedly, students also state that "the campus still feels very white," but qualify this by calling out the fact that they've "met people with diverse perspectives, cultures, and interests that have allowed me to learn more about the world beyond the classroom." Regardless of background, students appraise one another as "genuine, kind, and respectful of others," and one adds that "I'm amazed by how inclusive the student body is and the opportunities they create to ensure the acceptance and safety of everyone." All in all, "finding 'your group' of people is very easy, and not difficult at all because everyone just bonds easily."
Campus Life
Campus Life
Overview
From The School
Location
Located on one of the country's most beautiful historic campuses, Rhodes offers a supportive residential community that serves as a launch pad into the heart of Memphis—a vibrant city full of music, history, and opportunities for hands-on experience—and the world. Our relationship with Memphis invites students to explore professional pathways and cultivate passions before graduation while benefiting from the social, historical, and cultural landscape close to the college
Campus Facilities & Equipment
Rhodes' Collegiate Gothic campus sits on a 123-acre, wooded site in the heart of historic Midtown Memphis, and is frequently named one of the most beautiful college campuses in the nation.
Our walkways, quadrangles, residence halls, common areas, and classrooms are all intentionally designed to encourage intimate conversation, the exchange of ideas, and life-changing connections.
With each new expansion, Rhodes has maintained its Collegiate Gothic architecture. The Paul Barret Jr. Library (2005), has been ranked among the country's most beautiful libraries. In 2012, Rhodes opened the expanded Catherine S. Burrow Refectory and the West Village Residence Hall, both of which maintain the Collegiate Gothic style.
In September of 2017 Rhodes opened its most recent expansion, Robertson Hall. It is a $30 million, 55,000-square-foot science facility that features state-of-the-art research and teaching labs and smart classrooms.
Construction continues on our newest residence hall, East Village C, a 61,717 sqft residence hall that will hold 150 students, provide flexible work and study space, spacious common areas, and a lodge designed for the college's multicultural VOICES student organization. East Village C is slated to open for occupancy in January 2023.
Off-Campus Opportunities
A Rhodes experience combines the best of the classroom and the real world through internships, service, and research, alongside other opportunities in Memphis.
Memphis is an extension of our campus. Students are able to pursue service and fellowship opportunities at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, FedEx, International Paper, and city government offices, among others.
Campus Life
Undergrads living on campus
67%
Help finding off-campus housing
No
89/99
First-Year Students living on campus
98%
Campus Environment
Large Urban
90/99
Housing Options
Apartment Single
Dorms Coed
Dorms Coed
Dorms Female
Dorms Male
Theme Housing
Dorms Male
Theme Housing
Students Say
Undergrads at Rhodes tend to be serious about their academics and students certainly "study very hard throughout the week." Nevertheless, there's plenty to enjoy and experience beyond classwork. For starters, undergrads can join groups as disparate as the board game club and bee-keeping club, get involved with mock trials and student government, or try out for the "really great intramural frisbee team." A number of people also like to participate in the "Rhodes Outdoor Organization, which provides totally free trips to go camping, hiking, and climbing out of Memphis, as well as trips to more local sites to rock climb indoors." Additionally, "Greek life is very big" and we're told that "frat parties are common on Saturday and Friday night." Students also make the most of the city of Memphis, whether that's heading to "Beale Street for night life" going on a taste-test of new restaurants because "the food is amazing" or "attending music and arts fests in Cooper-Young neighborhood."
Special Needs Admissions
Program / Service Name
Office of Student Accessibility Services
Type of Program
For all students with disabilities
Director
Melissa Butler
College Entrance Tests Required
Yes
Interview Required
No
Documentation Required for LD
Current, comprehensive psycho-educational evaluation. Visit https://www.rhodes.edu/content/student-accessibility-services for specific documentation guidelines.Documentation Required for ADHD
Current, comprehensive psycho-educational evaluation. Visit https://www.rhodes.edu/content/student-accessibility-services for specific documentation guidelines.Special Need Services Offered
Calculator allowed in exams
Yes
Dictionary allowed in exams
2
Computer allowed in exams
Yes
Spellchecker allowed in exams
Yes
Extended test time
Yes
Scribes
Yes
Proctors
Yes
Oral exams
Yes
Notetakers
Yes
Distraction-free environment
Yes
Accommodation for students with ADHD
Yes
Reading machine
Yes
Other assistive technology
Yes
Student Activities
Registered Student Organizations
141
Number of Honor Societies
15
Number of Social Sororities
7
Number of Religious Organizations
7
32% join a fraternity
38% join a sorority
Sports
Athletic Division
Division III
51% participate in intramural sports
26% participate in intercollegiate sports
Men's Sports (Lynx)
11 Sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross Country
Football
Golf
Lacrosse
Soccer
Swimming
Tennis
Track Field Indoor
Track Field Outdoor
Basketball
Cross Country
Football
Golf
Lacrosse
Soccer
Swimming
Tennis
Track Field Indoor
Track Field Outdoor
Women's Sports (Lady Lynx)
12 Sports
Basketball
Cross Country
Field Hockey
Golf
Lacrosse
Soccer
Softball
Swimming
Tennis
Track Field Indoor
Track Field Outdoor
Volleyball
Cross Country
Field Hockey
Golf
Lacrosse
Soccer
Softball
Swimming
Tennis
Track Field Indoor
Track Field Outdoor
Volleyball
Student Services
Health
LGBT Support Groups
Minority Support Groups
Army ROTC Offered at cooperating institutions: University of Memphis
Navy ROTC Offered at cooperating institutions: University of Memphis
Air Force ROTC Offered at cooperating institutions: University of Memphis
LGBT Support Groups
Minority Support Groups
Army ROTC Offered at cooperating institutions: University of Memphis
Navy ROTC Offered at cooperating institutions: University of Memphis
Air Force ROTC Offered at cooperating institutions: University of Memphis
Sustainability
80/99
School Has Formal Sustainability Committee
Yes
Sustainability-focused degree available
Yes
School employs a sustainability officer
No
Public GHG inventory plan
Yes
% food budget spent on local/organic food
10%
Available Transportation Alternatives
Bike Share
Yes
Car Sharing Program
Yes
Carpool/Vanpool Matching Program
No
Condensed Work Week Option For Employees
No
Free Or Reduced Price Transit Passes And/Or Free Campus Shuttle
No
Incentives Or Programs To Encourage Employees To Live Close To Campus
No
Indoor And Secure Bike Storage, Shower Facilities, And Lockers For Bicycle Commuters
Yes
Reduced Parking Fees For Car And Van Poolers
No
School Adopted A Policy Prohibiting Idling
No
School Developed Bicycle Plan
No
School Offers A Telecommute Program For Employees
No
Campus Security Report
Campus Security Report
The Jeanne Clery Act requires colleges and universities to disclose their security policies, keep a public crime log, publish an annual crime report and provide timely warnings to students and campus employees about a crime posing an immediate or ongoing threat to students and campus employees.
Please visit The Princeton Review’s page on campus safety for additional resources: http://www.princetonreview.com/safety
The Princeton Review publishes links directly to each school's Campus Security Reports where available. Applicants can also access all school-specific campus safety information using the Campus Safety and Security Data Analysis Cutting Tool provided by the Office of Postsecondary Education of the U.S. Department of Education: https://ope.ed.gov/campussafety/#/
Other Information
Campus-wide Internet Network
Yes
% of Classrooms with Wireless Internet
100
Fee for Network Use
No
Partnerships with Technology Companies
No
Personal computer included in tuition for each student
No
Discounts Available with Hardware Vendors
Yes
Description
We have special pricing through two consortia: TICUA and HESS/E&I
These are multivendor discount agreements with substantial savings through selected resellers.
We also have educational discounts with Apple and Dell.
